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welcome to somewhere in the skies I'm

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your host Ryan Sprague

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alien con Los Angeles was one of the

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craziest experiences I've ever had I met

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some amazing individuals who I'm sure

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you'll be hearing on the show in the

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very near future

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while I didn't have time to get any

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interviews at the event I did take part

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in several panels and live podcast

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recordings one of which you're gonna

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hear today I was honored to both

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moderate and take part in a panel titled

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The CW's mysteries the curtain Roswell

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and beyond

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joining me in front of a live audience

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was consulting producer Alejandro Rojas

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executive producer Gary tar pinion my

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co-host egg co-investigator Jennifer

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Marshall and Denis Marcel granddaughter

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of Jesse Marcel the first military

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officer on site at the Roswell UFO crash

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we give you the inside story on how the

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show came to be our ongoing

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investigation of the Roswell incident

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and then we discuss the upcoming series

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mysteries decoded premiering this August

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on the CW that's right you haven't seen

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the last of me just yet thank you to

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everyone who came out to Los Angeles for

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alien con and a special thanks to those

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who attended the panel into all those

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listeners who introduced themselves

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I was so unbelievably touched and

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honored to finally meet you face-to-face

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and I hope to meet more of you this

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October for alien cont'd Alice to learn

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meantime enjoy this panel discussion and

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but never stop searching somewhere in

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hi guys my name is Ryan Sprague I am one

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of the co investigators and co-hosts of

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that little clip you just saw there from

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Roswell mysteries decoded which we're

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going to be talking about today with our

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panelists we're also gonna be talking

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about what was spawned from Roswell

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mysteries decoded and that is a new

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series that's going to be premiering on

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the CW called

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aptly mysteries decoded so without

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further ado I'd like to introduce you to

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our panel today first we have Alejandro

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Rojas and he is a consulting producer on

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the show Alejandra and for anyone that

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knows anything about the Roswell UFO

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incident you're gonna know this next

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person this is the granddaughter of

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Jesse Marcel the first military officer

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on-site at the Roswell UFO crash that's

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Denise Marcel Denise

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all right next up this is the man that

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made this all happen the reason we're

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all standing up here today one of the

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most caring producers I've ever met of

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the UFO phenomenon and how it is treated

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in entertainment and that is executive

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producer of Roswell mysteries Dakotan

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and creator of mysteries decoded Gary

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darpinian and last but not least my

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partner in crime my co-host and

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co-investigator on Roswell mysteries

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decoded and the host of mysteries

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decoded Jennifer Marshall

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so we're gonna we're gonna start off

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with Roswell mysteries Dakota the

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one-hour special that premiered on the

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CW a few months ago and all of you were

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connected to this project so I think I'd

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like to start with Gary how did this all

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come about where did your interest in

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UFOs start Roswell how did this project

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come to be well I've always been

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interested in the topic and it seems

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that it has never been more popular and

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what really helped me get the show off

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the ground as I went to the show last

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year in Pasadena and heard Ryan Sprague

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speak and he sort of had me at hello

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and I thought alright we need to do a

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UFO show and it was a matter of figuring

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out what it was going to be and then we

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had this wonderful opportunity where we

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brought it to the CW network and the

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rest is history yeah it happened so

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quick and that's often how these things

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happen and that's how we all get

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involved with it and one of those people

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was alejandro now for those who don't

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know I've been working with Alejandro

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for many many years he gave me my big

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break in the UFO field working for his

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magazine open minds magazine so

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Alejandro how did you get involved with

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this and what was your role with Roswell

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mysteries decoded

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yeah I've been talking with Gary for

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quite a while for a few years now

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he's been talking about his UFO interest

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we've been talking about you know

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different ideas that he's been pitching

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out there so I was very happy when they

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got this deal with CW to work on Roswell

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and you know when we talk they of course

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research is the most important part and

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so I felt it was important that we show

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two different things that first of all

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Roswell was a conspiracy and I'll

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explain why but second of all that

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there's research ongoing research that

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can happen and I think that's what's

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important because a lot of people are

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like Roswell

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why don't we need to talk about Roswell

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that was so long ago what new is with

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Roswell on the show you saw what was new

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there are people looking for metals and

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materials out in the desert any day

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someone could find something and we

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might you know

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prove scientifically that there's

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there's something out there that's truly

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mysterious so that's important also

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there's that image you know that was in

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the show with the the memo that that

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general is holding and and what's on

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that memo we still don't know so

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hopefully the technology one day will

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show us what's on there but the other

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part people don't realize is that it is

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a conspiracy in the Air Force has

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admitted that in their own documentation

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they show that you know it wasn't the

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weather balloon they know it wasn't the

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weather balloon they admit we don't know

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why they do you know they decided to

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cover it up and say it was weather

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balloon when it wasn't of course we have

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this theory it was a mogul balloon

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that's not necessarily proven yet but

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the point is it wasn't conspiracy so if

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they're upset about people calling it a

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conspiracy it's their own fault

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too bad yeah all right no Denise when

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Gary approached me with this project I

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was a lot like alejandro I was very

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skeptical I'm like what's new that we

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could really discover about Roswell and

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I knew we were going to be going out to

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the crash site which we will get to I

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knew that we were going to be talking to

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a earth scientist and geologists about

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metals we'd found he had found out there

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but when he said that we're going to be

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speaking to you one of the descendants

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of the Marcel family that's when I was

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like let's do this let's do this so how

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is that when Gary approached you to do

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this show I'm sure this isn't the first

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time you've been approached with things

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like this to cover the legacy of your

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grandfather and your father who were

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both directly involved with the Roswell

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UFO crash you know I was really happy

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when I was contacted about this it's you

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know anytime that I can get an

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opportunity to talk about what really

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happened out there I'll jump at that

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opportunity and I was just really lucky

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that it was you guys because you guys

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did an amazing job with this you you

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portrayed my grandfather and my father

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in a really good light which I really

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appreciate

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because it's you know it's a touchy

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subject

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you know like Alejandro was saying you

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know if you don't agree that it's

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conspiracy

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grandfather 100% said that was not what

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was in that room that of what he found

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out and that's that field and my father

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saw the same material he's like

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this is definitely not what was in that

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picture there so yeah it was real no I

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want to see something too I think by

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participating Denise you really made our

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show something special and I think you

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really honored the legacy of your father

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and your grandfather who I believe is an

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American Hero for speaking up so thank

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My partner in crime you're so far away

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Jennifer when we first started this

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project and I knew I was gonna be going

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out to investigate razo

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I was like a kid in a candy shop but you

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coming from a background of what you do

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if you're willing to share with us what

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was it like knowing that you were going

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to be investigating a UFO event

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oh my so for those of you who don't know

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I am a military veteran and I am a

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licensed private investigator in the

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state of California so things that

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border on the paranormal can be really

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looked down upon in our community so I

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had to explain it to my colleagues in a

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way that focused on the conspiracy of it

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because we knew that it was not as the

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government had portrayed and then after

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I had spoken to some of my colleagues

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and I have actually gone to a state

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conference this past month people were

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very supportive because when you're

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dealing with a historical investigation

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p.i is we don't make a living with

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historical investigations because who's

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gonna pay the bills so they were really

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excited that I got the chance to work in

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that realm because it's not something

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often that we have the opportunity to do

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you know had you known anything about

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the Roswell UFO event specifically

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before you got involved I have

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definitely read into it I not nearly as

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much as when we started shooting the

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show and we did all the research that we

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did but I had always known that there

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was something a little off about it

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because I think if you pull everybody in

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the room if anybody does anyone here

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really think it was a weather balloon

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that crashed right but I feel like

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Society now it is we maybe see me to see

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me after society where it's Twitter base

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it's 160 characters people just know

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what's put out there so the government

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says it was a weather balloon and 95% of

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people will say weather balloon I

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believe it so I applaud that you

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are here and looking into this and

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saying no maybe it wasn't what was fed

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to us right and that's another really

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good point that I'd like to throw over

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to Alejandro is this idea that when this

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event happened in 47 the military

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themselves put out a headline saying

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that they had captured a flying disc a

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day later that headline was taken away

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and it was nothing but a weather balloon

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so our own military were the ones to

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first come forward and brag that we may

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be the first country to have recovered

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an alien spacecraft next day that was

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completely a whole different story so

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Alejandro being like the preeminent

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researcher on this case and many others

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what do you make of this the military's

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involvement and the the switch around

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within a day I think there's a couple

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really important aspects to it and by

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the way there's a lot of researchers who

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have done a lot more work on it but

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thank you there's a couple really

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important things that I think we have to

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keep in mind with it that people I think

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overlooked so for instance it was a

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military who put out that press release

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it was Denise's grandfather who had gone

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and looked at that material reported it

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back that this is not a weather balloon

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this is something that we don't

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understand and we don't know what it is

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the colonel on the base decided wow

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we've really got something here UFOs

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were in the news so this press release

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said you know we might have caught one

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of these flying saucers we recovered a

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crash disc

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the radio reports as well you can hear

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these online you hear we may have an

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answer to these you of the flying saucer

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issue I don't know why they talk like

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that back in the old days on the radio

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but yeah and so this was a thing so they

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very boldly put out this press release

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that we captured a flying saucer the

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next day you know your grandfather

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Jesse Marcel was flown to Fort Worth

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Texas where he shows up and the general

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he goes and he says well we're gonna

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tell people it's just weather balloon

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and he walks in the room and there's

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weather balloon pieces and I was good

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friends with Denise's father who was an

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absolute wonderful person one of the

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most incredible people

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kind and just a wonderful person but and

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and the way he puts it is you know he

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was a patriot they both were they both

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served in the military

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and his dad did not question it he said

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yes sir that's what I'll do if that's

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what I'm ordered to do so that's what

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they did end of story

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and it wasn't until years later when

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santen Friedman talked with her

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grandfather that the story really kind

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of became famous and got out there but

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Colonel Blanchard the guy who put out

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that press release he didn't get in

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trouble or reprimanded in fact he went

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on to become a general brigadier general

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I believe so

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he raised through the ranks he wasn't in

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trouble for saying what are you doing

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telling people that we caught a flying

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saucer no it was more like you know he

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was doing his job and you would think

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that if he told people we caught a

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flying saucer when it was just a weather

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balloon obviously they'd get in a lot of

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trouble and he'd probably be demoted but

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that's not what happened so you know

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there's a lot that supports that there

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was something to this and that those

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guys were not mistaken a weather balloon

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that they really encountered something

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unusual Denise I'd love to get your your

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thoughts on this when when your

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grandfather did what he was told to do

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as any military person would do I know

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the story must have been completely

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different at home so when this all

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happened when he has shared things with

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you how did that make you feel knowing

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that your grandfather believed that we

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were not alone and that there was

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possibly something from another planet

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that had crashed here yeah you know it I

388
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had a very I guess you could say

389
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interesting childhood my father they

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were he was raised in Louisiana after

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they moved away from Roswell and when he

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he was in the Navy and when he got out

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of the Navy we moved to Montana and one

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of the main reasons we moved to Montana

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was so my dad could build a huge

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telescope in a backyard because all he

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wanted to do was look up at the stars to

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see if he could see anything out there

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my grandfather in my what we didn't talk

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about it a lot

401
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um because we were told my grandfather

402
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was told he's never to talk about it

403
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again and my father really really kind

404
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of stuck to that as far as friend wise

405
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I've been finding out recently that my

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grandfather actually was talking about

407
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it a lot more than what I I think even

408
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then what my dad knew she was some

409
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family relatives and these family

410
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relatives are saying no you your

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grandfather was actually very upset he

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felt he had absolutely no recourse and

413
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he felt he was kind of done wrong even

414
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though he you know he was a military man

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and he was doing his job I think he

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expected like years later something like

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the truth would come out and like you

418
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know let's you know not make him look

419
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like he was a bumbling fool you know

420
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saying oh you know he couldn't tell what

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a weather balloon was but that never

422
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happened I think for me though

423
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it it really opened my eyes up to

424
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there's so many possibilities out there

425
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and so many gosh it could be so much

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life out there and we just don't have

427
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know that it's I mean we just don't you

428
00:17:51,899 --> 00:17:49,900
know it's it's amazing to me yeah I mean

429
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the first book I ever read about UFOs

430
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was crash a Corona by Stanton Friedman

431
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and I was just getting into this thing

432
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in the fact that I was now seeing the

433
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UFOs maybe visiting our planet but

434
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they're also crashing planet that was

435
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enough for me to be like there's

436
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something to this all and Jennifer I

437
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know when we first started like we we

438
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had just met each other

439
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um it was very you know brief

440
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introductions let's go let's go

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investigate and I knew a lot of sort of

442
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sort of the things we would be covering

443
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I had heard rumors that there were

444
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possible materials out in the desert and

445
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everything so I like I'd like to know

446
00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:30,820
from you what what about this

447
00:18:36,360 --> 00:18:33,490
investigation into Roswell really stuck

448
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out to you in terms of evidence well it

449
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was funny when you called me and you

450
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asked me if I wanted to work on this

451
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with you I was really once we started

452
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researching and digging in I was really

453
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appalled at how sloppy the cover-up was

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so if you're going to cover something up

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do a good job just do a good job if you

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look at even the pieces of the weather

457
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balloon that were found those were shiny

458
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straight out of a package it hadn't been

459
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sitting out there

460
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no mud there was no dirt I mean this is

461
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a dusty place that it was sitting and it

462
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was just kind of insulting that they

463
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said well this is what we found and you

464
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guys just have to accept that because

465
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there were so many things that it was

466
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like guys really this is the best that

467
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you can do and then I think when the Air

468
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Force released the report saying it was

469
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project mogul it was this big long

470
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report that was kind of a lot to do

471
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about nothing it was this huge report to

472
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kind of get people to shut up because

473
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how many people are actually going to

474
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read the report not many I mean this

475
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thing was what did they say nine hundred

476
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and ninety four pages long I think it's

477
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exactly nobody's going to read anything

478
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that's you know over 50 pages exactly so

479
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I think that's what struck me about it

480
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and then kind of just how it went away

481
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it went away and the government said

482
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okay if you think that it's aliens I

483
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guess people are gonna think it's aliens

484
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we'll just let you think it's aliens so

485
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and I think that's just kind of a lazy

486
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way of allowing it to go to the side is

487
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just by making everybody think oh we're

488
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crazy because we think it could be

489
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aliens now I'm not saying that that's

490
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exactly what happened I don't know if

491
00:20:10,490 --> 00:20:09,000
that was extraterrestrial in nature but

492
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it's undeniable that a cover-up did

493
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occur okay now for anyone who's seen the

494
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special we did go to the crash site and

495
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there's been a lot of speculation and

496
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rumors about where this actual crash

497
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site is in Roswell everyone claims to

498
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have been there we got out there and

499
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there's this this like placard in the

500
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ground that says this is where something

501
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crashed in 1947 and a lot of people go

502
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there and they're like cool this is

503
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where it happened that's awesome we

504
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found out with Frank Kindler a geologist

505
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that we had worked with that know the

506
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actual crash site was something like 50

507
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miles away I believe and that astounded

508
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me I I II I never knew exactly where

509
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this thing had happened

510
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of course Roswell is like that case that

511
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we all hope we can someday investigate

512
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and the fact that we got to go out there

513
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and the way that this geo geologist

514
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found the crash site itself was

515
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astounding to me would you mind maybe

516
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giving us a little bit about how Frank

517
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was able to do this he

518
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he succeeded where so many failed so

519
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Frank is a is a teacher at the New

520
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Mexico Military Institute and he's a

521
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geologist by trade so he was able to

522
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look at the maps and determine where it

523
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was using topography so he had several

524
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maps and he took him a long time he

525
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basically laid the maps over different

526
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areas and eventually he found one that

527
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was a perfect fit so there's no way that

528
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you can fake the topography and say here

529
00:21:37,870 --> 00:21:36,470
we're going to build a mountain and here

530
00:21:40,120 --> 00:21:37,880
we're going to build a valley and here

531
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we're going to build a hill so the way

532
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that he founded I was I was really

533
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impressed and to me when we started

534
00:21:47,380 --> 00:21:45,350
talking about that that gave him a level

535
00:21:48,730 --> 00:21:47,390
of credibility in my mind because he had

536
00:21:50,529 --> 00:21:48,740
done so much research and had

537
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ascertained exactly where the location

538
00:21:55,419 --> 00:21:52,700
was right and then the next step from

539
00:21:57,610 --> 00:21:55,429
there after finding this location was he

540
00:22:00,370 --> 00:21:57,620
would go out there for weeks and weeks

541
00:22:02,020 --> 00:22:00,380
on end with his son got plus his son for

542
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:02,030
doing this with him out to the crash

543
00:22:07,210 --> 00:22:03,890
site with metal detectors trying to look

544
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:07,220
for anything they could find and we we

545
00:22:12,070 --> 00:22:08,570
were all out there Gary you were out

546
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:12,080
there to within a hundred miles of where

547
00:22:16,570 --> 00:22:13,850
this crash site is there's nothing

548
00:22:18,490 --> 00:22:16,580
absolutely nothing no life no there

549
00:22:20,919 --> 00:22:18,500
would be no reason for anyone to be out

550
00:22:22,060 --> 00:22:20,929
there so I know Jennifer and I we're

551
00:22:24,340 --> 00:22:22,070
like we're gonna go out there there's

552
00:22:26,529 --> 00:22:24,350
gonna be like trash left over some kids

553
00:22:29,230 --> 00:22:26,539
were probably partying not a single

554
00:22:32,230 --> 00:22:29,240
thing but this was where Frank was able

555
00:22:34,659 --> 00:22:32,240
to find a ton of metal buried beneath

556
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:34,669
the ground so that was a whole other

557
00:22:38,830 --> 00:22:36,650
aspect of this thing that I wasn't

558
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:38,840
expecting going into it I don't know

559
00:22:42,940 --> 00:22:40,610
about you but what did you think about

560
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:42,950
the whole metamaterial thing well just

561
00:22:46,060 --> 00:22:44,330
to be clear when they said that they

562
00:22:48,159 --> 00:22:46,070
found the location at first I was like

563
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:48,169
sure you found the location everybody

564
00:22:51,970 --> 00:22:49,730
says they found the location I mean in

565
00:22:54,220 --> 00:22:51,980
my line of work I'm very skeptical

566
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:54,230
so once Frank had convinced me that that

567
00:22:58,330 --> 00:22:56,240
actually was the location and we went

568
00:22:59,890 --> 00:22:58,340
out there I said for sure

569
00:23:02,470 --> 00:22:59,900
there's gonna be something that we can

570
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:02,480
tell that people have been here there

571
00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:04,970
were not animals there was not trash

572
00:23:08,799 --> 00:23:07,130
there was not a string on the ground and

573
00:23:10,570 --> 00:23:08,809
in the military we do a thing called a

574
00:23:11,890 --> 00:23:10,580
fog walk down so we look for foreign

575
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:11,900
objects that could get stuck in an

576
00:23:17,049 --> 00:23:14,210
aircraft and potentially blow the engine

577
00:23:18,820 --> 00:23:17,059
so I basically looked at the ground and

578
00:23:20,049 --> 00:23:18,830
I walked turned around looked at the

579
00:23:21,669 --> 00:23:20,059
ground and walked and I did this for

580
00:23:24,220 --> 00:23:21,679
about a half an hour there was nothing

581
00:23:25,580 --> 00:23:24,230
out there there were barely any insects

582
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:25,590
out there which I thought was

583
00:23:31,820 --> 00:23:29,850
very weird so I think that um I think

584
00:23:33,710 --> 00:23:31,830
the fact that Frank was able to find

585
00:23:35,299 --> 00:23:33,720
metal out there it was very odd to me

586
00:23:38,180 --> 00:23:35,309
and not only did he find the metal but

587
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:38,190
he also found buttons from a military

588
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:40,770
uniform that date back to that time yeah

589
00:23:45,260 --> 00:23:42,450
we weren't able to get that on camera

590
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:45,270
but we did find out later on he did find

591
00:23:47,690 --> 00:23:45,840
me

592
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:47,700
he found military buttons out there they

593
00:23:52,580 --> 00:23:49,770
were dated and they were back in the 40s

594
00:23:54,740 --> 00:23:52,590
so why was that out there we sort of

595
00:23:56,779 --> 00:23:54,750
thought probably if these military

596
00:23:59,120 --> 00:23:56,789
people were out there they were sweeping

597
00:24:00,560 --> 00:23:59,130
the area hands and feet down there

598
00:24:03,529 --> 00:24:00,570
trying to find out every little bit of

599
00:24:05,810 --> 00:24:03,539
whatever this thing was that impacted on

600
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:05,820
the ground and dragged for miles after

601
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:09,210
that so imagining that cleanup that's

602
00:24:12,980 --> 00:24:10,890
it's unfathomable that they would

603
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:12,990
actually find every single piece oh

604
00:24:16,700 --> 00:24:15,360
absolutely and I've done cleanups when

605
00:24:18,889 --> 00:24:16,710
we're looking for something not when a

606
00:24:20,389 --> 00:24:18,899
UFO crashes I've never done that but

607
00:24:21,919 --> 00:24:20,399
we've done cleanup and you put

608
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:21,929
everything that you find in a particular

609
00:24:26,299 --> 00:24:23,970
bag and they bag and tag everything so

610
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:26,309
is it possible you can find every little

611
00:24:31,970 --> 00:24:29,610
piece no that's generally not possible

612
00:24:33,289 --> 00:24:31,980
so I'm I'm not surprised that he was

613
00:24:36,980 --> 00:24:33,299
able to find something but I'm also

614
00:24:39,740 --> 00:24:36,990
surprised given how barren it was that

615
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:39,750
he was able to gotcha you know it's not

616
00:24:43,370 --> 00:24:40,799
a very scientific

617
00:24:45,919 --> 00:24:43,380
you know observation but I was there and

618
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:45,929
a place just seemed eerie like spooky

619
00:24:49,340 --> 00:24:47,520
and weird I mean didn't you guys feel

620
00:24:51,919 --> 00:24:49,350
that I oh yeah for me it was like

621
00:24:54,860 --> 00:24:51,929
Disneyland like I got to step foot on

622
00:24:57,710 --> 00:24:54,870
the actual crash site so for me I was

623
00:24:59,240 --> 00:24:57,720
like all excited and euphoric and yeah I

624
00:25:00,769 --> 00:24:59,250
know for you though Gary you did share

625
00:25:02,539 --> 00:25:00,779
that with me it was eerie there was

626
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:02,549
there's an ominous feel to it as history

627
00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:04,770
behind it and I and I loved it the way

628
00:25:08,810 --> 00:25:07,049
you pointed out that even the marker for

629
00:25:11,659 --> 00:25:08,820
the crash site is part of the cover-up

630
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:11,669
it's not the right place which is kind

631
00:25:17,210 --> 00:25:14,490
of interesting of right now Denise I

632
00:25:19,850 --> 00:25:17,220
know a lot of people are probably

633
00:25:21,260 --> 00:25:19,860
wondering this myself included and I

634
00:25:22,639 --> 00:25:21,270
think I asked you this one point I don't

635
00:25:25,100 --> 00:25:22,649
know if I made it on camera or not

636
00:25:28,630 --> 00:25:25,110
there's been so much speculation that

637
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:28,640
when your grandfather brought these

638
00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:30,090
materials home

639
00:25:37,539 --> 00:25:34,710
to show your father and his wife that he

640
00:25:39,609 --> 00:25:37,549
said this was from an alien spaceship

641
00:25:42,220 --> 00:25:39,619
and a lot of people have heard that

642
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:42,230
maybe he held on to a little something

643
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:44,090
is this something you could clarify for

644
00:25:48,519 --> 00:25:46,730
us you know as far as I know he never

645
00:25:50,669 --> 00:25:48,529
kept anything but what's really

646
00:25:56,830 --> 00:25:50,679
interesting though is in that Roswell

647
00:25:59,169 --> 00:25:56,840
that 994 page report there is a lady I

648
00:26:00,369 --> 00:25:59,179
think her name's Mary Mary Cabot she was

649
00:26:01,989 --> 00:26:00,379
married to Sheridan Cavitt

650
00:26:05,289 --> 00:26:01,999
who was a person that went out with my

651
00:26:09,369 --> 00:26:05,299
grandfather to the the field and she did

652
00:26:12,700 --> 00:26:09,379
reference that he they saw a piece of it

653
00:26:14,379 --> 00:26:12,710
afterwards at their house which you know

654
00:26:16,180 --> 00:26:14,389
I I found kind of shocking but the one

655
00:26:17,950 --> 00:26:16,190
thing that made it like well you know

656
00:26:20,169 --> 00:26:17,960
this kind of sounds in a way real

657
00:26:22,570 --> 00:26:20,179
because she called my father little

658
00:26:23,229 --> 00:26:22,580
Jessie nobody unless you know the family

659
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:23,239
really well

660
00:26:27,009 --> 00:26:25,279
wouldn't know to call him little Jessie

661
00:26:29,499 --> 00:26:27,019
so it was like she he was out there at

662
00:26:30,820 --> 00:26:29,509
the same time well my dad said that as

663
00:26:32,769 --> 00:26:30,830
far as he knew nothing was ever kept

664
00:26:35,109 --> 00:26:32,779
either okay but you know what was I was

665
00:26:36,970 --> 00:26:35,119
gonna say but that the be the the out

666
00:26:38,259 --> 00:26:36,980
there in that field wasn't the Bureau of

667
00:26:41,619 --> 00:26:38,269
Land Management trying to get those

668
00:26:43,930 --> 00:26:41,629
pieces back from Frank yes so during the

669
00:26:46,989 --> 00:26:43,940
process of our filming I'd say a couple

670
00:26:51,220 --> 00:26:46,999
weeks before during and after we had

671
00:26:53,259 --> 00:26:51,230
worked with Frank and the Bureau of Land

672
00:26:55,509 --> 00:26:53,269
Management had found out that he was

673
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:55,519
going to be doing this and they

674
00:27:01,539 --> 00:26:57,919
contacted him and brought him in for a

675
00:27:04,389 --> 00:27:01,549
special meeting to discuss what he had

676
00:27:07,180 --> 00:27:04,399
and what they found out there now they

677
00:27:09,999 --> 00:27:07,190
own the land so that's really

678
00:27:12,190 --> 00:27:10,009
interesting my job yeah my question is

679
00:27:14,139 --> 00:27:12,200
why if it's a soda can like people have

680
00:27:16,269 --> 00:27:14,149
said it is why are they trying to get it

681
00:27:17,499 --> 00:27:16,279
back that doesn't make any sense unless

682
00:27:19,389 --> 00:27:17,509
it's something that they don't want

683
00:27:21,580 --> 00:27:19,399
reveal to the public why would you waste

684
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:21,590
government resources in time to contact

685
00:27:25,659 --> 00:27:23,330
some quack which is what they're

686
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:25,669
alluding to to get pieces of metal back

687
00:27:29,409 --> 00:27:27,440
it doesn't make any sense they were

688
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:29,419
monitoring his Facebook page too because

689
00:27:33,849 --> 00:27:31,369
I got caught up in that I did too yep

690
00:27:36,340 --> 00:27:33,859
yep we through a Freedom of Information

691
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:36,350
Act request that we were being monitored

692
00:27:40,389 --> 00:27:38,570
on Facebook conversing with Frank Kim

693
00:27:42,099 --> 00:27:40,399
blur the man who found these materials

694
00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:42,109
they had screenshots of our

695
00:27:46,450 --> 00:27:44,480
conversations with him and these were

696
00:27:48,460 --> 00:27:46,460
these were released well what's

697
00:27:52,029 --> 00:27:48,470
interesting too is the kind of loophole

698
00:27:55,090 --> 00:27:52,039
that Frank used was that you can take

699
00:27:58,419 --> 00:27:55,100
the material off of the bureau off the

700
00:28:01,599 --> 00:27:58,429
land however unless it is culturally or

701
00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:01,609
historically significant so if that

702
00:28:06,340 --> 00:28:03,529
material is found to be something

703
00:28:08,019 --> 00:28:06,350
mysterious then that may classify it as

704
00:28:10,450 --> 00:28:08,029
such and then the Bureau of Land

705
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:10,460
Management would be able to confiscate

706
00:28:15,489 --> 00:28:13,039
that material so well see what happens

707
00:28:17,710 --> 00:28:15,499
this is all you know unfolding and will

708
00:28:19,930 --> 00:28:17,720
for years absolutely see what happens

709
00:28:21,460 --> 00:28:19,940
that's kind of what I wanted to get to

710
00:28:24,099 --> 00:28:21,470
know Jennifer when we're out there we

711
00:28:27,609 --> 00:28:24,109
spoke to a lot of locals and whatnot um

712
00:28:31,149 --> 00:28:27,619
about bodies this is a very contentious

713
00:28:33,009 --> 00:28:31,159
part of the Roswell mystery so we heard

714
00:28:35,349 --> 00:28:33,019
some pretty interesting stories off the

715
00:28:36,970 --> 00:28:35,359
record while we were out there but we

716
00:28:39,820 --> 00:28:36,980
also heard some really intriguing things

717
00:28:41,619 --> 00:28:39,830
from the the family who headed the

718
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:41,629
Roswell Daily Record the people who

719
00:28:45,849 --> 00:28:44,570
broke the Roswell story right and we

720
00:28:48,129 --> 00:28:45,859
heard some interesting stuff about that

721
00:28:50,139 --> 00:28:48,139
do you want to elaborate sort of wrap up

722
00:28:52,299 --> 00:28:50,149
our Roswell party event you know we

723
00:28:54,700 --> 00:28:52,309
heard a lot of things when we were there

724
00:28:56,349 --> 00:28:54,710
so even to the locals um one of the

725
00:28:59,019 --> 00:28:56,359
things that stuck out to me of course is

726
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:59,029
you know they ordered for child sized

727
00:29:02,409 --> 00:28:59,840
caskets

728
00:29:05,230 --> 00:29:02,419
so if there are no bodies do you need

729
00:29:07,570 --> 00:29:05,240
caskets and if their crash-test dummies

730
00:29:09,489 --> 00:29:07,580
which we've disproven that theory

731
00:29:12,159 --> 00:29:09,499
because those were were made after the

732
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:12,169
fact after Roswell had been years who

733
00:29:16,269 --> 00:29:14,690
puts crash-test dummies in a casket have

734
00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:16,279
you ever heard of such a thing

735
00:29:19,899 --> 00:29:18,769
so we talked to several people and a few

736
00:29:22,629 --> 00:29:19,909
things that didn't make it into the show

737
00:29:24,820 --> 00:29:22,639
I had talked to someone who was at the

738
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:24,830
New Mexico Military Institute he's a

739
00:29:29,950 --> 00:29:26,690
retired colonel and he had said that

740
00:29:32,849 --> 00:29:29,960
there was a woman who her husband was a

741
00:29:35,979 --> 00:29:32,859
veterinarian and he was called in to

742
00:29:38,019 --> 00:29:35,989
vivisect some beings that were found and

743
00:29:40,239 --> 00:29:38,029
he went into the room and he immediately

744
00:29:42,789 --> 00:29:40,249
freaked out and started screaming and

745
00:29:46,479 --> 00:29:42,799
was shaking and was uncontrollable they

746
00:29:49,930 --> 00:29:46,489
removed him and he did not touch any any

747
00:29:52,210 --> 00:29:49,940
of the bodies and later they he had some

748
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:52,220
visitors at his house saying if this

749
00:29:57,339 --> 00:29:55,730
were to ever happen manure if you were

750
00:29:58,509 --> 00:29:57,349
to ever be contact about this none of

751
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:58,519
this happened everybody will think

752
00:30:02,190 --> 00:29:59,840
you're crazy you'll be run out of town

753
00:30:05,850 --> 00:30:02,200
and his wife

754
00:30:07,650 --> 00:30:05,860
told my acquaintances this decades after

755
00:30:10,410 --> 00:30:07,660
after her husband was dead and it was

756
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:10,420
never spoken of again so again if it was

757
00:30:14,970 --> 00:30:13,210
a weather balloon there's no bodies if

758
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:14,980
there were no bodies there's no need for

759
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:18,610
caskets it's very simple it is and the

760
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:20,610
important thing to also keep in mind is

761
00:30:25,740 --> 00:30:23,410
were not the investigators who are out

762
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:25,750
there saying Roswell was definitely

763
00:30:29,850 --> 00:30:27,730
aliens that's not what we were about we

764
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:29,860
wanted to seek the truth we wanted to go

765
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:32,770
where the facts led us and in terms of

766
00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:34,690
the research alejandro brought to us

767
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:37,600
about project mogul after we had spoken

768
00:30:42,510 --> 00:30:39,970
to him I did some digging and I found

769
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:42,520
out that the person who wrote the manual

770
00:30:49,260 --> 00:30:46,480
for project mogul was really pissed off

771
00:30:52,290 --> 00:30:49,270
that the US Air Force was using his

772
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:52,300
project as a scapegoat for some UFO

773
00:30:57,780 --> 00:30:54,970
event so before he died he did make the

774
00:30:59,940 --> 00:30:57,790
statement that project mogul was not

775
00:31:01,320 --> 00:30:59,950
what happened at Roswell and that is the

776
00:31:03,810 --> 00:31:01,330
last sensor we've been given by the

777
00:31:06,780 --> 00:31:03,820
government so I guess the mystery

778
00:31:08,580 --> 00:31:06,790
remains why I think you said it so

779
00:31:10,740 --> 00:31:08,590
perfectly at the end of our show that

780
00:31:11,970 --> 00:31:10,750
there's definitely a cover-up here but

781
00:31:13,890 --> 00:31:11,980
we don't quite know what they're

782
00:31:16,410 --> 00:31:13,900
covering up right and the other thing

783
00:31:18,300 --> 00:31:16,420
that I loved is when you said it's

784
00:31:20,820 --> 00:31:18,310
really raised more questions and answers

785
00:31:22,890 --> 00:31:20,830
after we did this X unfortunately it did

786
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:22,900
and we went in thinking we'll be able to

787
00:31:26,790 --> 00:31:24,490
figure out what happened but there was

788
00:31:28,110 --> 00:31:26,800
just so many things that that came up

789
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:28,120
during the course of the investigation

790
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:29,890
and if you know when you're doing an

791
00:31:34,140 --> 00:31:32,080
investigation you can't just decide

792
00:31:36,090 --> 00:31:34,150
where you want to go and follow that

793
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:36,100
path you can't do that that's piss-poor

794
00:31:40,110 --> 00:31:38,650
investigation to put it lightly you have

795
00:31:41,550 --> 00:31:40,120
to look at everything and so when we

796
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:41,560
were investigating this there were

797
00:31:44,580 --> 00:31:42,880
things that took us off this way in this

798
00:31:46,530 --> 00:31:44,590
way in this way and things that we

799
00:31:48,030 --> 00:31:46,540
didn't even think would happen ended up

800
00:31:51,630 --> 00:31:48,040
happening and we really had enough for

801
00:31:53,850 --> 00:31:51,640
three shows but we had you know you only

802
00:31:55,470 --> 00:31:53,860
have 40 something minutes to have a show

803
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:55,480
there was so much that we uncovered that

804
00:32:00,330 --> 00:31:58,210
ended up not in the show yeah yeah yeah

805
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:00,340
and since we're wrapping up Roswell I'll

806
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:02,530
add one thing that I think is really

807
00:32:06,450 --> 00:32:04,960
interesting I've been pretty skeptical

808
00:32:08,730 --> 00:32:06,460
you never know like these guys looked

809
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:08,740
into it not assuming that this is aliens

810
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:12,490
but we've heard a lot and it's been part

811
00:32:15,660 --> 00:32:13,120
of

812
00:32:18,570 --> 00:32:15,670
this event you know unidentified this

813
00:32:20,970 --> 00:32:18,580
Pentagon program that we now know exists

814
00:32:23,670 --> 00:32:20,980
well many of us have interviewed people

815
00:32:25,230 --> 00:32:23,680
involved with this program and a couple

816
00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:25,240
of the people including one of the

817
00:32:31,650 --> 00:32:28,809
contractors dr. Eric Davis a physicist

818
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:31,660
and Lou Elizondo the guy who ran the

819
00:32:35,910 --> 00:32:34,000
Pentagon program they have both said

820
00:32:38,220 --> 00:32:35,920
that they have heard there really are

821
00:32:40,380 --> 00:32:38,230
crash retrieval programs inside the

822
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:40,390
government they haven't been able to get

823
00:32:44,430 --> 00:32:42,370
access to these programs they're just

824
00:32:46,890 --> 00:32:44,440
rumors but they're looking for those

825
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:46,900
answers I asked Lou well you say that

826
00:32:50,700 --> 00:32:49,210
can you prove it or I've been said I'm

827
00:32:52,380 --> 00:32:50,710
assuming you can't prove that and he

828
00:32:54,930 --> 00:32:52,390
said no I'm not saying that at all

829
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:54,940
so it seems like if pressed he believes

830
00:32:58,500 --> 00:32:56,290
he could prove there actually are

831
00:32:59,700 --> 00:32:58,510
programs like that I was pretty telling

832
00:33:01,710 --> 00:32:59,710
that the head of a secret Pentagon

833
00:33:03,030 --> 00:33:01,720
program would say that yeah that's

834
00:33:05,250 --> 00:33:03,040
really interesting well Jennifer I know

835
00:33:07,980 --> 00:33:05,260
were we're definitely just scratching

836
00:33:11,310 --> 00:33:07,990
the surface of Roswell so many have

837
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:11,320
tried to crack crack this case and we're

838
00:33:16,650 --> 00:33:13,450
doing our own thing and we're gonna keep

839
00:33:18,540 --> 00:33:16,660
going where the facts lead us so I I'm

840
00:33:21,090 --> 00:33:18,550
looking forward to keep doing that with

841
00:33:22,860 --> 00:33:21,100
you getting out there back to Roswell if

842
00:33:26,970 --> 00:33:22,870
we made our untimely demise

843
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:26,980
yeah riot riot for us

844
00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:27,090
[Laughter]

845
00:33:33,950 --> 00:33:30,080
[Music]

846
00:33:36,739 --> 00:33:33,960
all right so switching gears a little

847
00:33:38,749 --> 00:33:36,749
guys when this one hour of Roswell

848
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:38,759
mysteries decoded special aired on the

849
00:33:46,220 --> 00:33:42,450
CW it far exceeded expectations of a lot

850
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:46,230
of people and the CW came to Gary and

851
00:33:50,690 --> 00:33:49,200
said let's keep doing this and from

852
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:50,700
Roswell mysteries decoded spawned

853
00:33:55,879 --> 00:33:53,039
mysteries decoded a series that you're

854
00:33:59,149 --> 00:33:55,889
gonna see premiere on August 13th on the

855
00:34:01,989 --> 00:33:59,159
CW so I want to sort of get an idea of

856
00:34:06,289 --> 00:34:01,999
where we're heading next we done Roswell

857
00:34:08,780 --> 00:34:06,299
UFOs but I know Jennifer has such a vast

858
00:34:10,700 --> 00:34:08,790
experience in investigation that it's

859
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:10,710
not just UFOs that you guys want to

860
00:34:14,809 --> 00:34:13,200
cover with this so as the executive

861
00:34:17,629 --> 00:34:14,819
producer and the lead hosts and

862
00:34:19,790 --> 00:34:17,639
mysteries decoded what what should we

863
00:34:20,839 --> 00:34:19,800
look forward to with this upcoming

864
00:34:23,359 --> 00:34:20,849
series what are we gonna be

865
00:34:27,700 --> 00:34:23,369
investigating want to focus to the man

866
00:34:32,539 --> 00:34:29,780
we're so excited to have this

867
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:32,549
opportunity and I can't thank the

868
00:34:41,089 --> 00:34:35,490
network enough Thank You Kyle for this

869
00:34:43,039 --> 00:34:41,099
chance and it's - they've really given

870
00:34:44,659 --> 00:34:43,049
us carte blanche to look at stories that

871
00:34:46,369 --> 00:34:44,669
we find really fascinating and

872
00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:46,379
interesting and to really delve into

873
00:34:51,470 --> 00:34:48,510
them and what we wanted to do from the

874
00:34:53,569 --> 00:34:51,480
very beginning is to see if we could

875
00:34:56,750 --> 00:34:53,579
find the truth and tell a great story

876
00:34:58,730 --> 00:34:56,760
and in a lot of ways I would have to say

877
00:35:01,309 --> 00:34:58,740
Alejandra I've been inspired by you and

878
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:01,319
open minds because and I think they are

879
00:35:06,020 --> 00:35:03,599
the preeminent source right now for any

880
00:35:09,740 --> 00:35:06,030
information about UFOs and what I like

881
00:35:11,839 --> 00:35:09,750
about them is that everything isn't a

882
00:35:14,270 --> 00:35:11,849
UFO it's like we're gonna look at it

883
00:35:15,980 --> 00:35:14,280
we're gonna investigate it and maybe 90%

884
00:35:17,870 --> 00:35:15,990
of the time we even come up with an

885
00:35:19,970 --> 00:35:17,880
explanation but then there's that five

886
00:35:22,010 --> 00:35:19,980
or ten like we don't know what this is

887
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:22,020
we need to take a closer look at it so

888
00:35:25,940 --> 00:35:24,089
when we decided to do the series we want

889
00:35:28,549 --> 00:35:25,950
to use that same technique we're gonna

890
00:35:30,829 --> 00:35:28,559
look at everything and see where the

891
00:35:32,569 --> 00:35:30,839
facts lead us we don't kind of come to

892
00:35:34,910 --> 00:35:32,579
any conclusions before we begin the

893
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:34,920
shows we don't tell anyone what to say

894
00:35:40,140 --> 00:35:37,450
I'd not - Jennifer would listen

895
00:35:41,940 --> 00:35:40,150
but we go at naive we look for the facts

896
00:35:44,940 --> 00:35:41,950
in the truth and wherever it takes us

897
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:44,950
that's where we go um one thing that was

898
00:35:49,500 --> 00:35:46,690
difficult for me when I first signed on

899
00:35:51,930 --> 00:35:49,510
was you know some of the topics are a

900
00:35:53,970 --> 00:35:51,940
little more paranormal than I'm used to

901
00:35:56,730 --> 00:35:53,980
and I am a skeptic I work an

902
00:35:59,220 --> 00:35:56,740
investigation I don't deal with ghosts

903
00:36:01,140 --> 00:35:59,230
and paranormal things so that was really

904
00:36:03,839 --> 00:36:01,150
important to me and I explained to Gary

905
00:36:06,060 --> 00:36:03,849
that I'm not going to go into something

906
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:06,070
necessarily believing it I need to be

907
00:36:10,380 --> 00:36:08,050
the skeptic and I need to really look at

908
00:36:12,180 --> 00:36:10,390
the science behind things and the proof

909
00:36:15,060 --> 00:36:12,190
behind things and I have to admit

910
00:36:18,990 --> 00:36:15,070
there's been a few episodes where things

911
00:36:21,630 --> 00:36:19,000
have happened and I cannot explain why

912
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:21,640
or how and of course you're gonna have

913
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:22,930
people watching a show and they're gonna

914
00:36:26,220 --> 00:36:24,880
say this is fake that's fake no there's

915
00:36:28,109 --> 00:36:26,230
been some things that have happened that

916
00:36:31,380 --> 00:36:28,119
I called my husband that night and said

917
00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:31,390
this is what happened and I don't know

918
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:33,910
how to explain it I have no idea and

919
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:37,650
months of paths and I still have no idea

920
00:36:45,089 --> 00:36:42,250
interesting I was gonna add to that in

921
00:36:48,020 --> 00:36:45,099
terms of Morningstar productions who

922
00:36:51,390 --> 00:36:48,030
produce the show and the CW it's

923
00:36:54,510 --> 00:36:51,400
extremely rare for both a network and a

924
00:36:56,579 --> 00:36:54,520
production company to give such control

925
00:36:59,130 --> 00:36:56,589
to the investigators I've been a part of

926
00:37:01,140 --> 00:36:59,140
other projects where they're telling you

927
00:37:03,089 --> 00:37:01,150
what to say verbatim they have a

928
00:37:05,309 --> 00:37:03,099
narrative that they want for their show

929
00:37:08,370 --> 00:37:05,319
and you got to do that or they will edit

930
00:37:10,109 --> 00:37:08,380
you to make it seem that way that was

931
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:10,119
not the experience with this project

932
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:12,160
from the very start and we both went

933
00:37:16,140 --> 00:37:15,010
into that asking for that like let us do

934
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:16,150
what we do best

935
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:18,250
and that's to investigate and that's

936
00:37:21,780 --> 00:37:19,810
what I really enjoyed about Roswell

937
00:37:24,059 --> 00:37:21,790
mysteries Dakota it is you let us do

938
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:24,069
what we wanted to do right there was

939
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:26,560
never an agenda it was let's just go do

940
00:37:30,930 --> 00:37:29,440
this so in terms of mysteries decoded

941
00:37:32,819 --> 00:37:30,940
you mentioned there were some pretty

942
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:32,829
paradigm-shifting moments for you that

943
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:34,720
really made you think so

944
00:37:40,740 --> 00:37:37,359
I know Jennifer and I went out to

945
00:37:43,380 --> 00:37:40,750
investigate area 51 which again Roswell

946
00:37:46,650 --> 00:37:43,390
and area 51 like no UFO investigator

947
00:37:48,569 --> 00:37:46,660
gets that opportunity so I'm extremely

948
00:37:50,339 --> 00:37:48,579
thankful for that well get to area 51

949
00:37:50,910 --> 00:37:50,349
but what else you going to be covering

950
00:37:52,589 --> 00:37:50,920
and what

951
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:52,599
maybe what is one or two of those

952
00:37:56,519 --> 00:37:54,010
pivotal moments where you were like

953
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:56,529
there is something to this and the world

954
00:38:00,660 --> 00:37:58,210
is not what I expected

955
00:38:03,390 --> 00:38:00,670
well I'm not gonna give away plot points

956
00:38:05,849 --> 00:38:03,400
of course but um two episodes stick out

957
00:38:08,549 --> 00:38:05,859
to me one was an episode we've shot

958
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:08,559
about Lizzie Borden did Lizzie Borden in

959
00:38:12,690 --> 00:38:10,450
fact murder her parents or was it

960
00:38:16,650 --> 00:38:12,700
someone else there were things that

961
00:38:18,839 --> 00:38:16,660
happened during that episode that can't

962
00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:18,849
explain when you guys see it you'll

963
00:38:25,410 --> 00:38:21,910
understand why and then when we were

964
00:38:27,319 --> 00:38:25,420
looking at the Bermuda Triangle I went

965
00:38:30,299 --> 00:38:27,329
into it thinking it's a clever

966
00:38:31,980 --> 00:38:30,309
manipulation of statistics the number of

967
00:38:33,870 --> 00:38:31,990
ships and planes that have disappeared

968
00:38:35,970 --> 00:38:33,880
there but the more that we looked into

969
00:38:38,220 --> 00:38:35,980
it and the science behind it it really

970
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:38,230
blew me away yeah we talked to

971
00:38:43,620 --> 00:38:40,930
physicists I mean anybody who deals with

972
00:38:45,809 --> 00:38:43,630
naval ships aircraft who we talked to

973
00:38:48,660 --> 00:38:45,819
pilots I really wanted the science

974
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:48,670
behind it and it was just incredible

975
00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:50,410
some of the people that we talked to in

976
00:38:55,049 --> 00:38:52,510
the knowledge base and how deep we were

977
00:38:56,339 --> 00:38:55,059
able to dive yeah what one of my

978
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:56,349
favorite moments is when we were doing

979
00:39:03,150 --> 00:39:01,119
the Lizzie Borden story her home where

980
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:03,160
her parents were killed is now a

981
00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:04,410
bed-and-breakfast

982
00:39:09,950 --> 00:39:07,089
wonderful place to stay and they made me

983
00:39:13,380 --> 00:39:09,960
stay overnight at that bed-and-breakfast

984
00:39:19,529 --> 00:39:13,390
she slept in Lizzie's bed which I would

985
00:39:21,180 --> 00:39:19,539
have never gone near so why I told that

986
00:39:22,849 --> 00:39:21,190
you know people would be disappointed if

987
00:39:27,499 --> 00:39:22,859
she didn't spend the night in the place

988
00:39:31,529 --> 00:39:29,999
yeah yeah but you know one of the things

989
00:39:32,999 --> 00:39:31,539
that you say I really take it as a great

990
00:39:35,099 --> 00:39:33,009
compliment that you know you said we

991
00:39:37,890 --> 00:39:35,109
didn't tell you what to say we didn't

992
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:37,900
come up with a theory or a thesis to

993
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:40,450
prove in any of these shows we went into

994
00:39:44,730 --> 00:39:42,130
them thinking let's look for the facts

995
00:39:45,660 --> 00:39:44,740
let's tell a great story and see where

996
00:39:48,509 --> 00:39:45,670
this leads us

997
00:39:50,279 --> 00:39:48,519
that's that's the way to do it yeah and

998
00:39:51,900 --> 00:39:50,289
should we talk about some of the the

999
00:39:54,089 --> 00:39:51,910
shows we have coming up I'd love to I

1000
00:39:56,220 --> 00:39:54,099
mean we have one of the ones I was

1001
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:56,230
really excited to learn about was the

1002
00:40:02,069 --> 00:39:59,920
Montauk Project now Jennifer for some

1003
00:40:04,170 --> 00:40:02,079
who may not know you have not just a

1004
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:04,180
connection to investigating on

1005
00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:05,770
talk but you were part of something

1006
00:40:11,370 --> 00:40:08,319
pretty pretty prominent in pop culture

1007
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:11,380
today that was directly inspired by this

1008
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:13,930
case you covered yeah so can you tell us

1009
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:15,760
what your connection to that is sure so

1010
00:40:21,150 --> 00:40:17,440
I've been working in television and film

1011
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:21,160
since I left the military and I have I'm

1012
00:40:26,089 --> 00:40:24,010
an actor by trade so I have you know

1013
00:40:27,930 --> 00:40:26,099
several roles that coincide with

1014
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:27,940
ironically some of the episodes we've

1015
00:40:32,460 --> 00:40:29,680
been doing but I play Max's mom on

1016
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:32,470
stranger things and so when I was in

1017
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:35,410
Montauk which is great because if they

1018
00:40:38,730 --> 00:40:36,730
have a show they can hire a private

1019
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:38,740
investigator who understands television

1020
00:40:43,710 --> 00:40:41,920
that's always you know great but most of

1021
00:40:45,870 --> 00:40:43,720
my living is as a private investigator I

1022
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:45,880
can help people and that's really what

1023
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:47,890
drives me is helping people get closure

1024
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:49,599
to the things that they so desperately

1025
00:40:54,809 --> 00:40:52,720
need closure for but it was strange when

1026
00:40:56,190 --> 00:40:54,819
we were in Montauk the whole stranger

1027
00:40:59,160 --> 00:40:56,200
things series who watches stranger

1028
00:41:01,079 --> 00:40:59,170
things okay so you guys know yeah it's a

1029
00:41:03,630 --> 00:41:01,089
great show and it's inspired by what

1030
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:03,640
happened at Montauk so it was so odd

1031
00:41:09,089 --> 00:41:05,650
being in Montauk and investigating this

1032
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:09,099
and seeing my two worlds kind of come

1033
00:41:12,809 --> 00:41:10,290
together

1034
00:41:14,460 --> 00:41:12,819
Montauk was interesting because you have

1035
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:14,470
people who say I believe in the Montauk

1036
00:41:17,849 --> 00:41:16,210
Project it's like well what does that

1037
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:17,859
mean there's so many things that go

1038
00:41:21,569 --> 00:41:20,170
under the Montauk Project so the more

1039
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:21,579
that we looked into it there's certainly

1040
00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:24,010
things that I believe have merit and

1041
00:41:27,150 --> 00:41:25,119
then there's some things that are just

1042
00:41:30,690 --> 00:41:27,160
kind of thrown in there for conspiracy

1043
00:41:34,260 --> 00:41:30,700
theorists but that was one of the

1044
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:34,270
episodes that I replay in my mind over

1045
00:41:37,470 --> 00:41:35,770
and over the things that we experienced

1046
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:37,480
there because it is if you've never been

1047
00:41:42,539 --> 00:41:40,450
to Montauk New York I would say just go

1048
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:42,549
just for the experience it's super

1049
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:46,690
creepy yeah yeah yeah another one that I

1050
00:41:51,450 --> 00:41:48,250
was excited to hear about his Mothman

1051
00:41:52,319 --> 00:41:51,460
for any John keel fans out there we know

1052
00:41:55,020 --> 00:41:52,329
we know

1053
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:55,030
Mothman pretty well so tell us a little

1054
00:41:59,099 --> 00:41:56,530
about that did you know anything about

1055
00:42:01,349 --> 00:41:59,109
the lore behind this beforehand you know

1056
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:01,359
I had only known about Mothman because

1057
00:42:07,049 --> 00:42:05,200
the man who directed it directed my son

1058
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:07,059
in the in a commercial so that was my

1059
00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:09,010
only connection to it I wasn't very

1060
00:42:13,900 --> 00:42:12,609
well-versed in it and Mothman was very

1061
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:13,910
interesting

1062
00:42:18,130 --> 00:42:15,440
one because of the geography and the

1063
00:42:20,319 --> 00:42:18,140
culture of West Virginia Ohio when we

1064
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:20,329
went there I'm sure most of you guys

1065
00:42:23,470 --> 00:42:21,680
live in California if you're filming

1066
00:42:24,370 --> 00:42:23,480
anywhere people say where's your permit

1067
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:24,380
sir

1068
00:42:28,450 --> 00:42:26,450
people don't want you filming people

1069
00:42:30,370 --> 00:42:28,460
find it to be a pain in the butt in West

1070
00:42:33,069 --> 00:42:30,380
Virginia everybody was so welcoming and

1071
00:42:35,770 --> 00:42:33,079
they were so open and it was interesting

1072
00:42:39,010 --> 00:42:35,780
talking to everyday people and seeing

1073
00:42:40,809 --> 00:42:39,020
this belief permeate the culture it

1074
00:42:42,849 --> 00:42:40,819
really permeates the culture and you

1075
00:42:45,370 --> 00:42:42,859
have people from the very old to the

1076
00:42:47,260 --> 00:42:45,380
very young residents of this entire area

1077
00:42:49,839 --> 00:42:47,270
who either know someone who had an

1078
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:49,849
experience or had an experience

1079
00:42:54,130 --> 00:42:52,490
themselves so that really blew me away I

1080
00:42:56,260 --> 00:42:54,140
never thought we would go into this area

1081
00:42:58,059 --> 00:42:56,270
and talk to so many people with a direct

1082
00:43:00,579 --> 00:42:58,069
connection yeah I think you don't

1083
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:00,589
realize the impact these events have not

1084
00:43:04,180 --> 00:43:02,450
just on the individuals experience in it

1085
00:43:06,430 --> 00:43:04,190
but the community that grew up around

1086
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:06,440
this it's the same with Roswell I mean

1087
00:43:12,130 --> 00:43:08,480
when you go there Denise you know it's a

1088
00:43:13,630 --> 00:43:12,140
very small town like no offense to

1089
00:43:15,970 --> 00:43:13,640
Roswell of it but there's not much going

1090
00:43:18,370 --> 00:43:15,980
on other than this event and the

1091
00:43:20,500 --> 00:43:18,380
military base is there so you don't

1092
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:20,510
really realize what kind of a cultural

1093
00:43:25,809 --> 00:43:22,400
impact these things actually have

1094
00:43:27,940 --> 00:43:25,819
Mothman the flatwoods monster things

1095
00:43:29,349 --> 00:43:27,950
like this they they permeate and they

1096
00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:29,359
become bigger and they become bigger

1097
00:43:33,460 --> 00:43:31,250
than sometimes the incident that

1098
00:43:35,710 --> 00:43:33,470
actually occurred and I think it's

1099
00:43:37,089 --> 00:43:35,720
important to remember that most of the

1100
00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:37,099
Mothman Laura centers around the

1101
00:43:41,250 --> 00:43:38,720
collapse of the Silver Bridge and you

1102
00:43:43,870 --> 00:43:41,260
look at how many people I mean imagine I

1103
00:43:46,660 --> 00:43:43,880
stood at that spot imagine you're in

1104
00:43:50,559 --> 00:43:46,670
your car on a bridge and it starts to

1105
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:50,569
collapse the fear the terror and so many

1106
00:43:55,029 --> 00:43:52,490
people died in that and people we talked

1107
00:43:57,220 --> 00:43:55,039
to said my grandfather died my cousin

1108
00:44:00,370 --> 00:43:57,230
died and this is very much a town that

1109
00:44:02,559 --> 00:44:00,380
yes it does profit from Mothman lore I

1110
00:44:04,569 --> 00:44:02,569
mean let's address the elephant in the

1111
00:44:07,690 --> 00:44:04,579
room of course it does it's a very small

1112
00:44:09,819 --> 00:44:07,700
town at the same time this stemmed from

1113
00:44:12,490 --> 00:44:09,829
a tragedy and when we were there it was

1114
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:12,500
just so sad when we talked to people and

1115
00:44:16,359 --> 00:44:14,480
they would explain that yes this person

1116
00:44:19,059 --> 00:44:16,369
died that person died this person was

1117
00:44:21,069 --> 00:44:19,069
maimed horribly this person had such bad

1118
00:44:22,900 --> 00:44:21,079
post-traumatic stress that they couldn't

1119
00:44:25,539 --> 00:44:22,910
hold a job they became homeless it

1120
00:44:26,650 --> 00:44:25,549
really made it real so regardless of

1121
00:44:30,100 --> 00:44:26,660
whether or not moths may

1122
00:44:32,020 --> 00:44:30,110
exists in any form this bridge collapse

1123
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:32,030
and the appearance of Mothman that

1124
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:34,160
people believe they saw has impacted the

1125
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:37,370
community yeah yeah it's again it's he's

1126
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:39,680
we're also really thrilled that we got

1127
00:44:46,540 --> 00:44:43,520
one of the last living survivors who saw

1128
00:44:50,110 --> 00:44:46,550
Mothman real show okay yeah so we're

1129
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:50,120
very excited I think she saw it and she

1130
00:44:57,010 --> 00:44:54,050
even describes it to our artist who is

1131
00:44:57,370 --> 00:44:57,020
gonna depict what she saw it's pretty

1132
00:45:01,870 --> 00:44:57,380
cool

1133
00:45:03,810 --> 00:45:01,880
here but I do want to wrap up miss

1134
00:45:06,010 --> 00:45:03,820
Teresa coated talking about our other

1135
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:06,020
investigation that we went on and that

1136
00:45:10,540 --> 00:45:07,130
was area 51

1137
00:45:13,090 --> 00:45:10,550
now the government recently within the

1138
00:45:14,830 --> 00:45:13,100
past decade or so finally acknowledged

1139
00:45:17,890 --> 00:45:14,840
that this thing existed even though we

1140
00:45:20,740 --> 00:45:17,900
all knew it for so long but Jennifer

1141
00:45:22,300 --> 00:45:20,750
what did you think about area 51 Ryan

1142
00:45:23,530 --> 00:45:22,310
and I were in the car I don't know if

1143
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:23,540
this will make the show but we were in

1144
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:25,760
the car saying we're rolling down the

1145
00:45:29,890 --> 00:45:27,440
windows if the government has any

1146
00:45:33,070 --> 00:45:29,900
software to read our lips we will not

1147
00:45:35,770 --> 00:45:33,080
breach the barrier we we are here just

1148
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:35,780
to see we will not tell your secrets we

1149
00:45:39,460 --> 00:45:38,090
were just so scared that something was

1150
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:39,470
going to happen because a few months ago

1151
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:42,410
somebody had been shot he now he crossed

1152
00:45:46,900 --> 00:45:43,850
the barrier and he had a cylindrical

1153
00:45:50,350 --> 00:45:46,910
object in his hand not too smart and he

1154
00:45:53,380 --> 00:45:50,360
was shot so we were very very careful

1155
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:53,390
how far we went to the gate and we were

1156
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:55,040
very cognizant that there are cameras

1157
00:46:00,070 --> 00:45:57,770
everywhere oh yeah and I mean again we

1158
00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:00,080
had some weird stuff happen when we were

1159
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:01,730
in the car heading to the base I'm not

1160
00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:03,890
going to give that away but there was

1161
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:06,800
absolutely no doubt in my mind we were

1162
00:46:13,180 --> 00:46:08,960
being surveilled within 10 miles of the

1163
00:46:16,060 --> 00:46:13,190
gate it's definitive proof in my opinion

1164
00:46:18,250 --> 00:46:16,070
well it hurt happened there so um yeah

1165
00:46:19,630 --> 00:46:18,260
we sort of tie an area 51 to a lot of

1166
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:19,640
what's going on today

1167
00:46:24,670 --> 00:46:22,160
this modern Navy story that is broken

1168
00:46:28,090 --> 00:46:24,680
with all these pilots coming forward the

1169
00:46:30,700 --> 00:46:28,100
a tip secret Pentagon UFO program and we

1170
00:46:32,890 --> 00:46:30,710
talked a lot about Bob Lazar the the

1171
00:46:34,660 --> 00:46:32,900
person who sort of put area51 on the map

1172
00:46:37,090 --> 00:46:34,670
along with George Knapp the

1173
00:46:39,900 --> 00:46:37,100
investigative journalist who broke area

1174
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:39,910
51 to begin with and

1175
00:46:43,950 --> 00:46:40,930
found some really interesting

1176
00:46:46,589 --> 00:46:43,960
similarities between what Bob Lazar had

1177
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:46,599
to say in terms of technology this man

1178
00:46:50,910 --> 00:46:48,490
supposedly worked on when he was

1179
00:46:53,250 --> 00:46:50,920
employed at area 51 and these this

1180
00:46:55,559 --> 00:46:53,260
gimbal video if any of you have seen

1181
00:46:57,779 --> 00:46:55,569
this video of this cylindrical craft

1182
00:47:02,309 --> 00:46:57,789
that seemed to rotate in midair and

1183
00:47:04,260 --> 00:47:02,319
shoot off it was strikingly similar to

1184
00:47:06,299 --> 00:47:04,270
this testimony back in the 80s by Bob

1185
00:47:08,460 --> 00:47:06,309
Lazar so alejandra I know you've looked

1186
00:47:11,069 --> 00:47:08,470
a lot into this to sort of wrapping up

1187
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:11,079
area 51 for us what do you make of

1188
00:47:16,349 --> 00:47:13,690
office man what's going on today are we

1189
00:47:18,839 --> 00:47:16,359
living in a new era of UFO disclosure

1190
00:47:19,380 --> 00:47:18,849
and how does that match what we were

1191
00:47:22,529 --> 00:47:19,390
told

1192
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:22,539
30-something years ago by Bob Lazar yeah

1193
00:47:28,170 --> 00:47:25,359
I think that Bob Lazar story is really

1194
00:47:30,990 --> 00:47:28,180
hard to verify I mean it's one person

1195
00:47:33,020 --> 00:47:31,000
with anecdotal information I think that

1196
00:47:35,250 --> 00:47:33,030
a lot of the lead investigation

1197
00:47:37,319 --> 00:47:35,260
investigators question you know as

1198
00:47:40,049 --> 00:47:37,329
educational background it's impossible

1199
00:47:42,210 --> 00:47:40,059
to verify that and so there are a lot of

1200
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:42,220
questions there but what's really

1201
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:43,599
interesting you know talking about

1202
00:47:49,529 --> 00:47:46,000
what's going on today with area 51 is

1203
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:49,539
that two of the members of the to the

1204
00:47:54,029 --> 00:47:51,520
Stars team that Tong along the rock

1205
00:47:56,789 --> 00:47:54,039
stars started that Louise Elizondo the

1206
00:47:58,680 --> 00:47:56,799
guy who ran the Pentagon program this

1207
00:48:00,900 --> 00:47:58,690
team is made up of two people who have

1208
00:48:04,620 --> 00:48:00,910
worked at area 51 and been there quite

1209
00:48:05,190 --> 00:48:04,630
often one of them is used to be the

1210
00:48:07,559 --> 00:48:05,200
assistant

1211
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:07,569
defense secretary of intelligence Chris

1212
00:48:13,950 --> 00:48:11,680
Mellon the other one is a former you

1213
00:48:15,809 --> 00:48:13,960
know executive with Lockheed Martin

1214
00:48:18,059 --> 00:48:15,819
skunk works and Lockheed Martin skunk

1215
00:48:20,730 --> 00:48:18,069
works is the organization that was

1216
00:48:24,569 --> 00:48:20,740
tasked with finding the location for

1217
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:24,579
area 51 and building area 51 for the CIA

1218
00:48:29,220 --> 00:48:26,770
and now this guy you know he is one of

1219
00:48:31,829 --> 00:48:29,230
the guys at area 51 is working with Tom

1220
00:48:33,630 --> 00:48:31,839
DeLonge and these others so they're the

1221
00:48:36,329 --> 00:48:33,640
guys who would know if anything's there

1222
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:36,339
they've spent a lot of time but I one of

1223
00:48:39,809 --> 00:48:37,210
the things that I found really

1224
00:48:41,730 --> 00:48:39,819
interesting about area 51 is that you

1225
00:48:44,990 --> 00:48:41,740
know it is a real base you know Lockheed

1226
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:45,000
CIA have all been involved but as

1227
00:48:48,900 --> 00:48:46,960
ufologists you know when we luckily

1228
00:48:50,940 --> 00:48:48,910
lately have been finding this we get

1229
00:48:51,940 --> 00:48:50,950
vindicated and there were a lot of

1230
00:48:55,089 --> 00:48:51,950
people one

1231
00:48:57,790 --> 00:48:55,099
see the news hit that the CIA admitted

1232
00:49:00,550 --> 00:48:57,800
area 51 existed you know we got these

1233
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:00,560
phone calls hey who are you 51 is real

1234
00:49:06,730 --> 00:49:02,960
no kidding we've been telling you that

1235
00:49:09,490 --> 00:49:06,740
for years so it was shocking to me some

1236
00:49:12,010 --> 00:49:09,500
people speculate that they attach this

1237
00:49:14,589 --> 00:49:12,020
idea of UFOs and aliens with area 51 to

1238
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:14,599
keep people from realizing what goes on

1239
00:49:19,450 --> 00:49:17,450
there and if that is the case it was

1240
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:19,460
very effective because just because of

1241
00:49:24,490 --> 00:49:21,920
that relationship people did not believe

1242
00:49:26,380 --> 00:49:24,500
it even existed yeah I think that's a

1243
00:49:28,540 --> 00:49:26,390
really good way to sort of wrap up what

1244
00:49:30,069 --> 00:49:28,550
is gonna be investigated on mysteries

1245
00:49:32,319 --> 00:49:30,079
decoded but we did want to leave a

1246
00:49:34,089 --> 00:49:32,329
little time if anyone had any questions

1247
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:34,099
about you know the process of our

1248
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:37,040
investigation what we uncovered stuff

1249
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:38,960
like that yeah please I think there's a

1250
00:49:43,870 --> 00:49:41,690
mic on either end here if you could go

1251
00:49:45,550 --> 00:49:43,880
up there we've got about 15 minutes so

1252
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:45,560
if you could just make the questions a

1253
00:49:49,390 --> 00:49:47,810
little short in concise we would really

1254
00:49:54,670 --> 00:49:49,400
appreciate it I don't think they do have

1255
00:49:57,790 --> 00:49:54,680
mics actually oh they're not yeah so

1256
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:57,800
came in a little late but so maybe

1257
00:50:02,319 --> 00:49:59,599
already covered this but I didn't

1258
00:50:05,020 --> 00:50:02,329
question about the analysis of the metal

1259
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:05,030
from Roswell or allegedly from Roswell

1260
00:50:12,819 --> 00:50:09,200
from the crash did you put it under

1261
00:50:16,270 --> 00:50:12,829
isotope analysis isotope ratios yes you

1262
00:50:18,990 --> 00:50:16,280
did and to be honest we tested about

1263
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:19,000
five pieces of metal it was inconclusive

1264
00:50:24,220 --> 00:50:21,440
but we have more pieces we're hoping to

1265
00:50:26,349 --> 00:50:24,230
test in the future although if I could

1266
00:50:28,660 --> 00:50:26,359
this is one of the stories luckily we

1267
00:50:30,460 --> 00:50:28,670
got to break as early on the hard part

1268
00:50:32,650 --> 00:50:30,470
is there are several small little pieces

1269
00:50:34,510 --> 00:50:32,660
and they're very tiny and he can't say

1270
00:50:36,730 --> 00:50:34,520
for certain you know every piece is

1271
00:50:38,530 --> 00:50:36,740
something anomalous and we have to look

1272
00:50:41,170 --> 00:50:38,540
at several different pieces which is

1273
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:41,180
difficult now one of the early analysis

1274
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:42,890
he got on the isotopes because that's

1275
00:50:46,690 --> 00:50:44,810
very important essentially you can look

1276
00:50:48,970 --> 00:50:46,700
at the isotopes and determine if

1277
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:48,980
something was you know created here on

1278
00:50:54,970 --> 00:50:51,440
the planet essentially and he did get

1279
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:54,980
from one lab a very strange result that

1280
00:51:00,099 --> 00:50:57,650
said essentially that it wasn't made on

1281
00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:00,109
the planet it was within what's called

1282
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:02,089
an error range and he said and he got a

1283
00:51:04,770 --> 00:51:03,650
hold of them and said you know it looks

1284
00:51:06,270 --> 00:51:04,780
like in the in the error range

1285
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:06,280
you think I mean you made a mistake and

1286
00:51:12,570 --> 00:51:08,530
they said we do not make mistakes like

1287
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:12,580
that it is way off on the out there we

1288
00:51:15,450 --> 00:51:14,530
the lab itself was doubtful that that

1289
00:51:18,090 --> 00:51:15,460
was a mistake

1290
00:51:19,110 --> 00:51:18,100
now that experiment has not been able to

1291
00:51:21,150 --> 00:51:19,120
be repeated

1292
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:21,160
you know they attempted to and

1293
00:51:24,690 --> 00:51:22,570
unfortunately they didn't get the same

1294
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:24,700
results but you know a one thing that

1295
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:26,800
Frank likes to make a point of is in the

1296
00:51:31,470 --> 00:51:29,290
analysis done in the show those those

1297
00:51:33,330 --> 00:51:31,480
who are metallurgist and they were not

1298
00:51:35,250 --> 00:51:33,340
able to determine that the metal was

1299
00:51:37,470 --> 00:51:35,260
something anomalous but they did receive

1300
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:37,480
you know some chemicals that were part

1301
00:51:41,820 --> 00:51:40,170
of the analysis that weren't able to be

1302
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:41,830
investigated so there's still some

1303
00:51:46,650 --> 00:51:43,690
possibility that something mysterious

1304
00:51:48,750 --> 00:51:46,660
could be found right yeah I did it's

1305
00:51:50,460 --> 00:51:48,760
still open there's still so many tests

1306
00:51:53,070 --> 00:51:50,470
that we could do again this was just a

1307
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:53,080
metal test so and honestly I hope that

1308
00:51:56,700 --> 00:51:55,570
Frank holds on to at least a few of the

1309
00:51:58,860 --> 00:51:56,710
pieces because who knows where

1310
00:52:01,140 --> 00:51:58,870
technology will be in 10 20 30 40 50

1311
00:52:04,070 --> 00:52:01,150
years yes and Frank's well aware that

1312
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:04,080
you know with a lot of these pieces they

1313
00:52:08,940 --> 00:52:06,610
unfortunately have to be destroyed in

1314
00:52:12,270 --> 00:52:08,950
order to be tested right so Frank is a

1315
00:52:14,430 --> 00:52:12,280
very careful responsible scientist he's

1316
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:14,440
got pieces of this stuff locked away

1317
00:52:18,540 --> 00:52:16,930
that nobody knows about which is very

1318
00:52:20,190 --> 00:52:18,550
smart in my opinion and he's still

1319
00:52:21,540 --> 00:52:20,200
looking for more he's still looking at

1320
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:21,550
he's still out there all the time

1321
00:52:25,110 --> 00:52:23,890
yeah I participated this was weird too

1322
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:25,120
if you don't mind me sharing this story

1323
00:52:30,780 --> 00:52:27,970
where we got ahold of this very

1324
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:30,790
prominent USGS scientist who wanted to

1325
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:33,850
get involved and help him do research he

1326
00:52:39,630 --> 00:52:36,970
we got that material sent to a lab that

1327
00:52:42,810 --> 00:52:39,640
was very prestigious a university and I

1328
00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:42,820
can't give the details but it broke down

1329
00:52:48,810 --> 00:52:45,760
because when that university opened up

1330
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:48,820
the Box the materials were gone and I

1331
00:52:55,290 --> 00:52:51,850
told Frank do not mail those you have to

1332
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:55,300
go hand-deliver them and he they talked

1333
00:52:58,140 --> 00:52:57,010
him into you know the logistics just

1334
00:53:00,000 --> 00:52:58,150
wasn't gonna work for him to

1335
00:53:01,830 --> 00:53:00,010
hand-deliver them but of course when

1336
00:53:03,570 --> 00:53:01,840
that lab got this material opened the

1337
00:53:05,580 --> 00:53:03,580
box they thought Oh Frank's a jokester

1338
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:05,590
this is all we shouldn't have done this

1339
00:53:10,500 --> 00:53:08,170
goofy UFO thing in the beginning he was

1340
00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:10,510
upset because he thought they stole the

1341
00:53:15,210 --> 00:53:12,880
material or lost it but it was still a

1342
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:15,220
mystery we we never found out where that

1343
00:53:18,740 --> 00:53:16,890
material went yeah and I think

1344
00:53:21,290 --> 00:53:18,750
I learned from that so he handed them to

1345
00:53:22,970 --> 00:53:21,300
me and I handed them to the metallurgist

1346
00:53:25,700 --> 00:53:22,980
to make sure nothing like that happened

1347
00:53:28,970 --> 00:53:25,710
again yes thank you for your question

1348
00:53:31,970 --> 00:53:28,980
thank you yes let's go right here if we

1349
00:53:34,340 --> 00:53:31,980
could questions for Jennifer when you

1350
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:34,350
went to come tonight at a busy Borden's

1351
00:53:38,300 --> 00:53:35,610
house did you

1352
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:38,310
I've been there everything I was offered

1353
00:53:44,780 --> 00:53:40,170
to spend the night also but I declined

1354
00:53:46,070 --> 00:53:44,790
smart did you make it to Maplecroft we

1355
00:53:47,930 --> 00:53:46,080
did we did

1356
00:53:49,060 --> 00:53:47,940
so Maplecroft for those of you who

1357
00:53:52,070 --> 00:53:49,070
aren't aware that is the house that

1358
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:52,080
Lizzie after her parents were murdered

1359
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:54,810
she wanted to go by Lizbeth so it was

1360
00:53:59,570 --> 00:53:56,370
the house that Elizabeth Borden bought

1361
00:54:02,480 --> 00:53:59,580
with her inheritance and it's a it's a

1362
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:02,490
large estate and it's in a very ritzy

1363
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:04,050
part of town and it's not open to the

1364
00:54:09,590 --> 00:54:05,970
public but we were actually able to go

1365
00:54:13,370 --> 00:54:09,600
there and it's quite lovely yeah I was

1366
00:54:16,220 --> 00:54:13,380
there in Fall River and we not only want

1367
00:54:18,410 --> 00:54:16,230
to took the tour of her house we went to

1368
00:54:21,230 --> 00:54:18,420
maple crop and then we went to her grave

1369
00:54:26,050 --> 00:54:21,240
site we did so yes I got a picture of me

1370
00:54:31,390 --> 00:54:27,620
please show me later

1371
00:54:36,500 --> 00:54:31,400
that is a morbid sense of humor sir

1372
00:54:38,750 --> 00:54:36,510
let's go over here yes you guys for

1373
00:54:42,110 --> 00:54:38,760
doing what you're doing my question

1374
00:54:44,180 --> 00:54:42,120
there is a photo out there of a

1375
00:54:47,210 --> 00:54:44,190
high-ranking military official perhaps

1376
00:54:49,340 --> 00:54:47,220
too general he's kneeling down next to

1377
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:49,350
this this balloon supposed to balloon

1378
00:54:55,460 --> 00:54:52,530
and he's hold the little matter and what

1379
00:54:58,010 --> 00:54:55,470
I understand someone tried to zoom in on

1380
00:55:01,450 --> 00:54:58,020
this and decipher what it is one do you

1381
00:55:03,410 --> 00:55:01,460
know about it and two can you share any

1382
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:03,420
contents that you might not found

1383
00:55:08,930 --> 00:55:06,210
Jennifer that's all you yes so that's

1384
00:55:10,550 --> 00:55:08,940
general Ramey and when in what he's

1385
00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:10,560
holding is referred to as the Ramey memo

1386
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:12,720
and we knew that it had been deciphered

1387
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:15,810
by other sources we did not want to have

1388
00:55:19,900 --> 00:55:18,240
that color our perception of it so we

1389
00:55:22,490 --> 00:55:19,910
went in and we had a forensic photo

1390
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:22,500
analyst analyst who used to work for the

1391
00:55:26,990 --> 00:55:24,210
FBI he blew it up and we went through

1392
00:55:29,690 --> 00:55:27,000
line by line my issue with the Ramey

1393
00:55:30,500 --> 00:55:29,700
memo is if this was in fact a weather

1394
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:30,510
balloon wide

1395
00:55:34,490 --> 00:55:32,370
you need a memo why do you need a

1396
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:34,500
general there why do you need a photo

1397
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:36,960
session there's a lot of things about

1398
00:55:41,630 --> 00:55:38,850
that memo that just don't make sense now

1399
00:55:43,850 --> 00:55:41,640
it has not been definitively translated

1400
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:43,860
word-for-word or deciphered I'll say not

1401
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:44,970
translate it but deciphered

1402
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:46,770
word-for-word but there's enough on

1403
00:55:52,490 --> 00:55:49,440
there that it's clear there's something

1404
00:55:56,740 --> 00:55:52,500
else going on yes and I have to add to

1405
00:55:59,360 --> 00:55:56,750
Denise's a grandfather he was brought in

1406
00:56:01,220 --> 00:55:59,370
took it taken out of the room brought

1407
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:01,230
back in and they laid the weather

1408
00:56:05,210 --> 00:56:03,330
balloon out and he said what the hell is

1409
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:05,220
this said that's what you saw up there

1410
00:56:10,700 --> 00:56:08,880
that's no it isn't yes it is that's what

1411
00:56:12,740 --> 00:56:10,710
I that's exactly what I heard yeah he

1412
00:56:14,420 --> 00:56:12,750
was briefed on what it really was still

1413
00:56:16,550 --> 00:56:14,430
had the letter in his hand and then they

1414
00:56:18,620 --> 00:56:16,560
laid out the balloon and the photo yep

1415
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:18,630
that's what we did you should watch the

1416
00:56:23,540 --> 00:56:21,330
show you could see it still on CW seed

1417
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:23,550
and you'll see the whole section I think

1418
00:56:27,590 --> 00:56:25,650
you'll enjoy it yeah there is another

1419
00:56:29,300 --> 00:56:27,600
gentleman in the one of those photos too

1420
00:56:31,550 --> 00:56:29,310
colonel two boys who who is general

1421
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:31,560
Rama's right-hand man and he has come

1422
00:56:35,660 --> 00:56:33,210
out to some of the Roswell researchers

1423
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:35,670
and said it was a cover-up but it was

1424
00:56:39,260 --> 00:56:37,680
not a weather balloon I was aware that

1425
00:56:40,910 --> 00:56:39,270
what we took pictures of what are in

1426
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:40,920
those photos is not what was found in

1427
00:56:44,810 --> 00:56:42,570
the desert he says I don't know what was

1428
00:56:47,300 --> 00:56:44,820
found but it wasn't what was in Raimi's

1429
00:56:48,860 --> 00:56:47,310
office during those pictures yeah Gary

1430
00:56:51,170 --> 00:56:48,870
brings up a good point if you do want to

1431
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:51,180
watch the special it's available for

1432
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:54,570
free to stream on the CWC comm whenever

1433
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:57,210
you like please check it out there's so

1434
00:57:01,460 --> 00:56:59,040
much more we did and talked about that

1435
00:57:03,020 --> 00:57:01,470
was in that but I think we have time

1436
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:03,030
maybe for one or two more questions so

1437
00:57:05,870 --> 00:57:03,930
if we don't get you guys

1438
00:57:07,700 --> 00:57:05,880
I do apologize will be available after

1439
00:57:10,850 --> 00:57:07,710
you want to ask us some more questions

1440
00:57:12,290 --> 00:57:10,860
but yes sir yes I do my name is Rob

1441
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:12,300
Hamdi from the Atlantic City New Jersey

1442
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:14,880
area and I like to thank all of you for

1443
00:57:19,070 --> 00:57:16,290
enlightening us on all these subjects

1444
00:57:21,140 --> 00:57:19,080
but my question is do any of your

1445
00:57:25,340 --> 00:57:21,150
episodes and feature any information on

1446
00:57:29,900 --> 00:57:25,350
the Kecksburg Pennsylvania UFO incident

1447
00:57:31,490 --> 00:57:29,910
it's the bell and do it everything else

1448
00:57:33,650 --> 00:57:31,500
so funny that you bring that up we don't

1449
00:57:35,210 --> 00:57:33,660
specifically talk about Kecksburg Ryan

1450
00:57:36,770 --> 00:57:35,220
and I are actually acquaintances with a

1451
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:36,780
filmmaker who's making a movie about

1452
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:38,850
Kecksburg right now and he's surprised

1453
00:57:41,819 --> 00:57:40,050
like he had asked me to be in the film

1454
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:41,829
and I said this is getting too weird

1455
00:57:45,870 --> 00:57:43,410
many of my roles are crossing over into

1456
00:57:48,089 --> 00:57:45,880
investigation so he's actually doing a

1457
00:57:50,459 --> 00:57:48,099
film that's called Kecksburg but it's

1458
00:57:52,229 --> 00:57:50,469
not in any of our we're aware event

1459
00:57:54,599 --> 00:57:52,239
we've looked into it but it's not in any

1460
00:57:56,759 --> 00:57:54,609
of our episodes but if we get picked up

1461
00:57:57,959 --> 00:57:56,769
for season two that's definitely

1462
00:58:00,509 --> 00:57:57,969
something I would love to look at it

1463
00:58:03,569 --> 00:58:00,519
that's died that's a dream come true for

1464
00:58:06,719 --> 00:58:03,579
a dream bucket list number three yeah

1465
00:58:09,479 --> 00:58:06,729
yes sir yeah with the Roswell crash I

1466
00:58:12,539 --> 00:58:09,489
know you mentioned that there was for

1467
00:58:14,519 --> 00:58:12,549
you needed for caskets but where is

1468
00:58:16,499 --> 00:58:14,529
there any evidence or proof that any of

1469
00:58:21,930 --> 00:58:16,509
the greys or alien bodies were still

1470
00:58:24,380 --> 00:58:21,940
alive so the one so the colonel the

1471
00:58:27,269 --> 00:58:24,390
retired colonel that I talked to who's

1472
00:58:29,489 --> 00:58:27,279
what whose source was the wife of the

1473
00:58:33,539 --> 00:58:29,499
veterinarian she said that when her

1474
00:58:35,279 --> 00:58:33,549
husband saw them that one of them was

1475
00:58:38,549 --> 00:58:35,289
still alive which is why I said that he

1476
00:58:41,039 --> 00:58:38,559
wanted it vivisected after that because

1477
00:58:42,959 --> 00:58:41,049
he ran out that's all that I've been

1478
00:58:44,940 --> 00:58:42,969
able to tell and that's a very very

1479
00:58:47,939 --> 00:58:44,950
credible source he's a retired colonel

1480
00:58:52,349 --> 00:58:47,949
now and that woman is is long since

1481
00:58:53,849 --> 00:58:52,359
deceased yet is that part in the in the

1482
00:58:56,219 --> 00:58:53,859
show that you know because it months ago

1483
00:58:59,640 --> 00:58:56,229
no what I so what happened with that was

1484
00:59:01,559 --> 00:58:59,650
I I was working as an advisor for

1485
00:59:03,420 --> 00:59:01,569
another show when I ran into him and he

1486
00:59:05,699 --> 00:59:03,430
said have you been and I said you know I

1487
00:59:06,959 --> 00:59:05,709
just shot this this Roswell show and he

1488
00:59:08,670 --> 00:59:06,969
said you should have talked to me

1489
00:59:10,739 --> 00:59:08,680
because I went to New Mexico Military

1490
00:59:12,509 --> 00:59:10,749
Institute and that's when he told me and

1491
00:59:14,099 --> 00:59:12,519
he gave me the woman's name and I've

1492
00:59:15,930 --> 00:59:14,109
looked up the woman her husband did in

1493
00:59:17,819 --> 00:59:15,940
fact have a veterinary practice in

1494
00:59:19,529 --> 00:59:17,829
Roswell at that time so it is a

1495
00:59:21,630 --> 00:59:19,539
legitimate source but unfortunately

1496
00:59:23,789 --> 00:59:21,640
they've both sons passed on and I also

1497
00:59:27,660 --> 00:59:23,799
heard that either of this true or not

1498
00:59:31,259 --> 00:59:27,670
that the US government is also working

1499
00:59:33,539 --> 00:59:31,269
with the aliens actually at area 51 like

1500
00:59:35,489 --> 00:59:33,549
a lot is any of that true I've heard

1501
00:59:37,289 --> 00:59:35,499
stories through the years but I don't

1502
00:59:39,689 --> 00:59:37,299
know if it's fantasy or actually any

1503
00:59:41,519 --> 00:59:39,699
based in any kind of reality right right

1504
00:59:45,180 --> 00:59:41,529
I mean there have been so many claims

1505
00:59:47,249 --> 00:59:45,190
that there's these alien-human hybrid

1506
00:59:49,650 --> 00:59:47,259
ization programs going on that the

1507
00:59:52,439 --> 00:59:49,660
military is working in cahoots with the

1508
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:52,449
aliens I'm a huge fan of the x-files

1509
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:53,890
it's probably my favorite show of all

1510
00:59:58,840 --> 00:59:55,930
time but it's science fact

1511
01:00:01,390 --> 00:59:58,850
I'm not saying I'm not discounting any

1512
01:00:04,690 --> 01:00:01,400
of the claims that that is happening but

1513
01:00:06,370 --> 01:00:04,700
to my knowledge to the many military

1514
01:00:09,490 --> 01:00:06,380
officials I've spoken with and

1515
01:00:12,550 --> 01:00:09,500
governmental bodies retired people I've

1516
01:00:15,690 --> 01:00:12,560
spoken with I haven't come across any

1517
01:00:19,090 --> 01:00:15,700
evidence myself that that is happening

1518
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:19,100
there is definitely some exotic stuff

1519
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:21,890
happening at area 51 not a doubt in my

1520
01:00:27,610 --> 01:00:23,810
mind in terms of aliens working with

1521
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:27,620
humans I think that's a whole other and

1522
01:00:32,230 --> 01:00:30,170
I think well leather show Ryan you know

1523
01:00:33,910 --> 01:00:32,240
Ryan's an expert in this field I have

1524
01:00:35,650 --> 01:00:33,920
the advantage of being a veteran and

1525
01:00:37,660 --> 01:00:35,660
talking to other veterans and people are

1526
01:00:38,500 --> 01:00:37,670
more likely to open up to me as a fellow

1527
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:38,510
veteran if they're speaking

1528
01:00:43,570 --> 01:00:40,850
off-the-record I have spoken to many

1529
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:43,580
veterans naval aviators pilots from all

1530
01:00:49,030 --> 01:00:46,850
branches I've spoken to people who were

1531
01:00:53,890 --> 01:00:49,040
a part of the incident on the USS Nimitz

1532
01:00:55,990 --> 01:00:53,900
in in 2004 and they tell me things off

1533
01:00:58,090 --> 01:00:56,000
the record that I cannot go into but I

1534
01:00:59,860 --> 01:00:58,100
will say definitively nobody none of my

1535
01:01:01,840 --> 01:00:59,870
sources has ever said to me yes there

1536
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:01,850
are humans and aliens working in tandem

1537
01:01:06,220 --> 01:01:04,010
at area 51 that's never come up and I've

1538
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:06,230
heard some pretty outlandish things that

1539
01:01:13,030 --> 01:01:08,770
has never once come across my radar

1540
01:01:14,590 --> 01:01:13,040
thank you guys I do apologize we did run

1541
01:01:16,630 --> 01:01:14,600
out of time here we're gonna be

1542
01:01:18,220 --> 01:01:16,640
available after if you want to ask us

1543
01:01:20,170 --> 01:01:18,230
our questions I know I wish we could go

1544
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:20,180
a little longer what I do one more one

1545
01:01:24,190 --> 01:01:22,250
more on queries if I write a rock

1546
01:01:26,230 --> 01:01:24,200
concert okay one more yes sir

1547
01:01:30,970 --> 01:01:26,240
and thank you for that one more Gary I'm

1548
01:01:34,390 --> 01:01:30,980
going to direct this to you my name is

1549
01:01:36,820 --> 01:01:34,400
Mick Flair and ever since 1980 I've been

1550
01:01:40,300 --> 01:01:36,830
interested in following the Billy my ear

1551
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:40,310
story from Zurich Switzerland you did

1552
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:42,530
such a wonderful job all of you on

1553
01:01:52,150 --> 01:01:45,410
Roswell that I think this is a mystery

1554
01:01:54,250 --> 01:01:52,160
that needs to be decoded by you thank

1555
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:54,260
you so much for that um I want to thank

1556
01:01:58,230 --> 01:01:55,970
all of our panelists I want to thank all

1557
01:02:00,790 --> 01:01:58,240
of you guys for coming please check out

1558
01:02:02,890 --> 01:02:00,800
mysteries decoded August 13th the

1559
01:02:11,410 --> 01:02:02,900
premieres on the CW and I know it's only

1560
01:02:54,630 --> 01:02:52,840
[Music]

1561
01:02:57,099 --> 01:02:54,640
[Applause]

1562
01:02:58,840 --> 01:02:57,109
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1563
01:03:00,790 --> 01:02:58,850
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1564
01:03:02,590 --> 01:03:00,800
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